Season 5 Episode 13 - There is no "I" in Fierke, with Mike Fierke

Its the season finale!  Probably.  

Mike Fierke joins the crew to talk about what its been like to run 10 years of the ever popular Movember Doubles tournament and what the it means to him to raise awareness and funds for such a worthy cause.  Things get a little heavier as they also discuss some mental health issues and what disc golf brings to the table to combat such an often undiagnosed, and easily dismissed issue.  

Sean hangs out with his friends and has a good time, and Alex is just a step in the bossman's ladder, but he's got dreams he'll never take away.  Ryan is elated over a warehouse full of hard wood, and Jason is still in love with a band he saw at Oysterfest in 2007.  

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When I was in scouts with my dad and who you guys have all met at the movember event. Big Bob, great sausage. Yeah, exactly. Great meats. Great meats. We just need Alex's dad over and we got a whole set. Could you imagine Bob sausage and Tony's nuts. Ooh, delicious. That's a food truck right there. For sure. It is. And welcome in to the season finale clean season five of unstable discourse. You did it, pal. Nice. Yeah. One take. Yeah, no big deal. Why is everybody acting like this doesn't happen every time? Good job. It's me, Alex seminary of tailwind media, here with Ryan Fancher of unstable disc golf gear. Yes, sir. Sean Callahan of Delwood disc golf. Ya boy. Jason Callahan of Bagotricks entertainment. Yes, sir. Sheila Callahan, Queen of the canyons. Towel slapper. Snapper snapper. Will. I'm definitely adding all of that. Yeah, sure, the mics didn't pick it up, but we'll talk about it anyways. And today we're hanging out with Mike Ferkey. Did I say it right? That's correct. Yeah. I don't correct people. But Ferki. Yes. Like, there is no I correct. Yeah, There is no I in Fergie fur. Oh, my God. There you go. Bam. What was that? 15 seconds? 20 seconds. New record. Damn. Whoa. I, along with everybody else, have been calling you fiery for a long time. But after the little bit of time we spent together recently, I've learned it's fur key. What is origin? I think it's maybe German something. We I, the family that makes all the sausages is German. That could be, yeah. Czech, Polish, German. Maybe like Swedish. Something else. So German origin. And can you use it in a sentence? No. Okay. I thought it was short for furkalicious. Personally. I get it. I get it. Furgalicious. Cue that song. I'm thinking of the drop. Yep. Yeah. So when people ask Fergie Ferky fear key, Whatever I say, it's like Fergie but with a k. But that inevitably gets me called for a very long time. Yeah. I've been saying it wrong for 10 years. And I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. No need to apologize. I don't. Correct. As long as you don't call me Mike, it's all good. So your Christian name or your slave name is Michael Ferkey, but most people know you and the disc golf community is dg Mike and. Or the guy who is the TD and founder of the movember dubs tournament. Yes, sir. A beloved event in this area that Just happened last week, and it was the 10th year of you running that event. So there's a pretty great story of the whole thing. And we're going to get into what that event is, you know, what. What it. What it's meant over the last 10 years, what it means to people. And also we're going to talk a little bit about what DG Mike is as your history as a content creator in the disc golf community. And before we get to all that stuff, we got other stuff. Yeah. One where I fired up. It was an old Bic you found in the yard. It took a second. Yeah, it took a second. I found this at Highland. Yeah. There was a shake somewhere. Somebody tossed a white lighter because it was unlucky at Highland. Next to the old sink basins and televisions over by hole 17. This is where we talk a little bit about what we're fired up about. Not everybody has to go, but anybody fired up about anything in particular right now? I do have something that is refreshing. Ryan, what are you fired up about? So this past weekend, we went to a family wedding in Louisville. Louisville? Louisville. You're supposed to sound like you're gagging. Yes, the wedding was fine. Went off without a hitch. Everything was great as far as that goes. But after that, we had the day kind of to ourselves before we flew back. And we ended up at the Louisville Slugger factory. Whoa. Which was a. Kind of a surprise to me. Obviously. I knew it was there somewhere. I didn't realize we would come upon it and then take the tour. That's pretty exciting. It turned out to be amazing. We went through the entire. They make all of the bats there. It's not like a. Oh, here's the warehouse where they store everything. And you can check it out. But, like, we walked through all the lathes, the dudes dipping the bats in the different colors and the engraving, and all the specialized machinery that they've used for over 100 years. It was so freaking cool. Awesome. One super fun fact that we didn't know was that they get all of the wood from forests that are in the north central Pennsylvania area, which is probably 10 minutes from where my wife grew up. No way. Nuts have been there and had no idea. There are two factories in northern Pennsylvania that they get everything from. So super. But I got to hold Ken Griffey Jr. S baseball bat. No way. Edgar Martinez. I got to see some old Ty Cobb and Ted Williams and Babe Ruth bats in the bat vault. Wow. So freaking cool. As we walked by, there were, like, little piles of Kind of like shavings and sawdust everywhere. And I was like, I'm going to put these in my hoodie pocket and then, like, put it in a mason jar in the shed when I get home. But I didn't. Give it to your grandkids and then take this and go buy a spaceship. Yeah. And then at the end of the tour, there were these huge bins full of, like, scrap wood that you could take. And I was like, oh, I will do that. So I took a bunch and it'll just be in a little mason jar just for something fun. But it was great. Did the tour start or did the tour end with the same number of people as the tour started with? Yeah. Nobody fell into a little river made of wooden bats, right? No. How fortunate. What height were the people who worked there? What is the. What's the baseball version? I'm trying to think of Willy Wonka Baseball Factory. It would be an Umpa Lump. I'm not shooting fire tonight, boys. I'm shooting fire tonight. I don't like the look of it. Okay. I was trying for a good minute. I couldn't get. Damn it. Well done. So good. So good. That was a highlight for me of. Can you get custom bats there? Can you get, like, measured and fitted for a bat like you would golf clubs? I don't know if you could unless you had very specific and very large quantities. Oh, got it. Right. Okay. They did go through the whole selection of what woods and what grades of woods are used. And there are, like, prime grades of woods that are used for just MLB players only. And you cannot get those. Right. They used to use ash, but now it's mainly maple and birch. Right? Yeah. And also the ash borer disease. Yeah, it's a problem on disc golf courses, too. Exactly. So there's also a way of grading, which I didn't realize, little baseball fact, that on a Louisville Slugger, the little stickers or the engraving or the paint on the bats is supposed to be held upright because the grain direction and where the grain is on the bat, it will give you the, like, optimal spot on the bat for the sweet spot. So there's like, there was a purpose for all of it. And it was very cool to watch. The sky, the logo to the sky. If you do that to the sky, 90 degrees from that will be the optimal grain for hitting the ball. And so it's really cool. Yeah, they had all sorts of videos while we were taking the tour, just watching the bats go through the lathes, like on the spot. And like we got to see some of the crazy old school. Like Ricky Henderson. He was holding up third base when he broke the record. And like his bat that he had had and all sorts of. It was really cool. There's probably not a more Ryan Fancher tour experience. Oh, it was very. Yeah, I've nervous working the baseball wood check. Yeah, it was really cool. So not knowing that I was going to be there and then just showing up downtown Louisville and just hitting that. It was very cool. That's so awesome. Yeah, Serendipitous was. So you do like surprises sometimes. Sometimes if they involve woodworking and baseball. Baseball. Ken Griffey Jr. Maybe. Yeah. Christmas gift ideas. Listeners for Ryan Ud engraved baseball bat might find its way into the shed. Okay, listeners who we can't get to leave a comment on a post. I'm sure somebody's going to go and make this gift for you. Yeah, obviously not everybody at once, please. That is super cool. What else is. Who else is fired up about something? I got something. Everybody. Jason, what are you fired up about? My favorite band, I've talked about them several times on the podcast is a band called Doves. And they, as of this record, just. Released a. I saw that. A new single a couple days ago with a new album due out in February and I am a very happy boy. My single is dropping. Is that what it's called? Yeah, no, it's called Renegade. It's a great song. With an album due out soon. I've listened to that song on repeat as I'm driving around. I don't know why. I just had my head. The song Refugee by Tom Petty. As soon as you said Renegade to live like a renegade. Yeah. I don't know why that doesn't even fit. Yeah. We didn't listen to this episode. It's great. Yeah. Do they know of. I know you. You have this thing where you manage to connect with the like the people and the creators that you're a big fan of. Yeah. Do they. Do you. Are you on their radar, do you think? Yeah, I would. They know I would. I would not be surprised. Yeah, they know there's. Here's a restraining order. Yeah. There. There are some cease and desists for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They know. I've actually. In another lifetime, I thought it would be a good idea to have this Instagram account that I called Alt 10, 2030 and I was doing it for a minute and it celebrated albums in the alternative genre that were hitting their 10 year, 20 year and 30 year milestones. Such a Cool idea. It still exists. I don't go on there anymore. There was like a couple of years where I was doing a post every Sunday and really like deep diving on the album, tagging the artist and trying to drum up conversations with the artist, like right there in the comments. And there was one time where I got a brief exchange with one of the guys in the band via that, Brad. And there are other bands that I had conversations with are pretty exciting as well. On a scale of garage band to Foo Fighters. Like where. Where do they rank? Popularity wise? They. They don't have radio play in the States. The only reason that I know they exist was I heard about them via satellite radio back in 2001 when I worked at Family Video. Our satellite station played them and I was like, who is this? And that band is the reason that I took the everything apart at my store and reconfigured where when a song would play, if I paused the movie that was playing on all the screens in the store, it would display the name of the artist and the name of the song. I like, rewired the audio line, or I'm sorry, the video line to go out of the satellite into the TVs. So anytime a song would play that I didn't know, I would just run over, press stop, and click write down. Cause this is like pre Shazam. You know, Like, I couldn't just take out my phone and, you know, ask, yeah, what's playing? Right. So, yeah, that's how I found out about them was in 2000. In 2000, I was working for Family Video and found out about them on Satellite Radio. And I've just been in love with them ever Since. Those are T9 days. T9 texting. Yeah, yeah, exactly. When's the next show? They are playing shows in November, but they're all in the uk. They are all Manchester guys. So they got dates lined up in that area, unfortunately. But they do come. They do, right? Yeah, they do come to the States every once in a while. I saw in like 2001, they played in Chicago, the Guinness Oyster Fest. They were the headliners and I got to see them and it was pretty exciting. But that's pretty awesome. Kidding. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't realize you were listening to them for that long. That was great. Yeah, Yeah. I love them. I love them. I love them. There's just something. Even this new song is so. They've evolved, but not changed their tone. Like, that's what I love. The same reason I love the Foo Fighters. In my opinion, you know, even 11 albums in, you can still tell. You know, they're still fighting foo. They're still fighting the foo. Yeah. And Doves are the same way. Growing but not changing. And to me, that is just like. So when you message them, do you just say, hey, it's Jason from Oysterfest? Do you remember me? I was right there mouthing every song word for word. Jimmy was probably looking down at me like, why does this dude from Chicago know all of our songs? Go give it a shot. It's a great song. Uh, that's pretty cool. I've been. I really like the Doves song. Is there one or two on our playlist that we haven't touched in a while now? The two. Yeah, the two that I don't. I couldn't even recite. Like, I can't even. It doesn't come to mind for me what they sound like. But every time I. It comes up on the playlist, I let it play through because it's a jam. Yeah. It's good stuff. Yeah. What song is it? I don't. I can't remember what the second one is by. No one of them. Say, what you. No, that's a different band. Different band. It's. Carousels is the one that is, like, the one that I know for sure is on there. I put another one on there, but I can't remember what the second one was. But Carousels is on there. That was the lead single off the last album from 2020. So this is. We got to get back to putting stuff on that playlist. I learned a lot of cool music from what you guys are adding. Yeah, for sure. Mr. Ferkey. Hey, you're only on the show for your first time. What are you fired up about? God. I mean, you guys ever listen to podcast called We Might Be Drunk? Either way, I'm interested, so sorry, but I'm listening. It's a. It's like a comedy podcast, but they talk about peeves. I just sat in the car for about 90 minutes and traffic was hectic, so I'm a little fired up about that. And stopped at Jersey. Oh, I was on time. Good for you. I was on time. Yeah. But, yeah, I don't know. Traffic, it's been bugging me. Anytime I gotta get in the car, I get upset about it. I got to work on realizing that it's always going to be there and just take it in. Right. Mental health. Got to work on it. Yeah. Just realize the traffic's always going to be there. You're getting where you're going when you're getting there. Don't. Don't be crazy. Listen to. Listen to a podcast. I listened to Mike Connolly's episode all the way down here, so it was great. What a shit show that was, huh? Yeah, I thought it was. I thought it was lovely here about Mike Conley and his career earnings and his tax evasion or whatever he's been working. Exactly. I need to get a tax. Tax guy, but I've never earned enough. What do you say? Three years if you don't make money? Yeah. I mean, I would have zero years of making money in disc golf, so it would be a challenge. Some people take the, like, the meaning of fired up a little different. You're saying traffic gets you fired up, but you're just proactively trying to work on that, not letting it get to you. I mean, the way that I'm working on it is I just usually don't drive at all, but. Yeah. Yes, Correct. Fired up in the. In a bad sense. Not fired up in a good way about it. No. Yeah. When there is one person that is causing problems, and I say this all the time, speeding, tailgating, whatever it is, I always let them buy. And then I think in my head, that guy's got a poop real bad. Yeah. Yeah. Like, that's the only possible plausible reason for him to be acting like this. And so you got to let him go because he's not going to make it. Right. And it always makes me feel like, oh, yeah, oh, yeah, definitely. He's going to have a problem if he doesn't get. And he'll get out of my way when it's my turn. Right. That's amazing. But when there is wall to wall, you can't convince me that I'm not in a living hell. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I don't know. All these people have to poop. There's a psychological. Everyone's pooping confirmation bias. I forget the exact term for it, but it's where you assume that when you are doing something wrong, it's like, it's not a big deal because it's me, but if somebody else is doing it wrong, it's because they're a piece of shit. Yeah. Yes, exactly. Everybody else is a bad driver, but I'm the best driver that ever was. But the people behind you are like, that dude's a jag off. No possible way. And if you can retrain yourself to do what Ryan does, where you say there's probably some reason for it instead of just that person's A huge piece of shit. Yes. Better mental health. I just try not to let it affect the next couple minutes of my life, and then it eventually just disappears because there's no reason to obsess over it for sure. Yes. And I took a page. I've been trying to take a page out of Sean's book on this from the few times we've been on road trips. Now when someone's driving like a lunatic and you just go, go, go on. Just let it buy. Yep. And let it go. Yeah. Just get out of their way. Let them be a lunatic. Because my gut reaction is I got to teach this a lesson. I got to get up next to him, I got to see him, I got to cut him off. I got to do something. Never contact with me. Never. Has that been good for anybody? Not good at all. No. Super dangerous. The only time I end up catching myself doing that is when I'm in a lane and there's a lane next to me that is going to end. And you can see in the side view that somebody's hauling balls, and they're like, oh, I'm gonna cut six cars off, and then I'm just gonna sneak in. I cannot go fast enough. You're being a jagoff. Yes. That's the only time. Every other time, there's a button on the steering wheel that I press and a sword flies out of the side of the car and chops their head off as they go past me. I always wanted to put a sign in my window where I could press a button that said, like, I'm sorry, or like, thank you. When I do something rude and cut somebody off, or like, if they let me in, I want to let them know. Yeah, I've heard that you can do left turn signal, right turn signal, but now turn signals will, like, flash three times. Yeah, right. But I heard that that was like a thank you. In some world, maybe. Well, in the Europe with the doves. I don't know. In the trucker world here, when. When semis pass each other, when one lets the other through, like, they'll tap on the lights or the brakes a couple times to, like, say, hey, thanks. Yeah. So maybe that's. There is cause for that. I've definitely done that, but I don't. Then I wonder, too, like, did this guy just cut me off and then tap on his brakes to make me slow down, or was this a brake check? What's going on? He's got his turn signal. I thought he doesn't even know where. He'S Going, I'm all up in my. Head, you know, this guy turning or not. I did something in my former life. Exactly. It's coming back to haunt me. This guy cut me off. Extra 20 minutes to Joliet. Big advocate for the horn needs to evolve. We need. We need ways to express more specific emotions on the road. Instead of just one sound with different durations. Oh, we have the technology to have several different sounds. I would love to give, like, do that. I thought, hey, thanks. Kind of a, you know, CBs. Let's all be on CBs. At all times. Oh, my God. Can you imagine being stuck in traffic and it's just a million voices? All right. Shepherd to lost sheep. You got your ears on stuff. That'd be crazy. Imagine the friendships that you would have in that 90 minute stretch. You'd be like, bro, like, can we. Let's get a drink. What are we doing? Hey, everybody out of the way. This guy's gotta poop. Go let him through. Let's work together. Erica. The first thing that comes to mind for me on the subject of having a specific bank of reactions you could have, let's say there's a thank you reaction. There's a, you know, hey, you're a jerk kind of reaction, Whatever. So you have five or six different things you could choose from the game Rocket League, which you play. Yeah, sure. So Rocket League is. Has a quick chat function. So while you're playing, you can do this exact thing. You can say things like, nice shot. Or like, what a save. And inevitably, what happens is people start to abuse it and say everything sarcastically and until everyone hates each other. And so, like, you'll do something like, you'll miss you. You know, they'll score on you, and your teammates will all be like, what a save. What a save. What a save. And they'll just smash the button. Yeah. This is why we can't have nice things. That's right. Instigate people. Yes. And so inevitably, I have to turn off that. That feature because everyone is a piece of shit. So in my shot. Nice shot. Nice shot. I know in my head, I just picture, like, before you honk the horn, you have on the touchscreen a little like one to 10. Like, I want this to be a three. Beep, beep. You know, everybody's stuck at 10. Yeah. Like, there's like, Right, Right. Yeah. You know, like, nobody's ever gonna use a three. Yeah. It's gonna be a ten every time. Everyone's gonna whomp, whomp. Yeah. Nice. Everybody's Great with the sound effects, by the way. Previous episode was chock full, and you are spot on. The lighter sound. I want to see the comparison, too. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I try hard. That's one of the coolest compliments I think you could give Ryan. Sean, did you go? Did you got anything? I did not go. I do have something. I thought I had something that was going to be something I'm sure that I have repeated this time of year where I'm like, oh, I'm excited because we're moving because we did tournament planning. So I'm not going to do that even though we did that. Cool. I'll cut that all out. Whatever you're about to say, whatever you're about to say, will you say it in the voice you just did, please? I fired up because I'm fired up because I hung out with my friends and had a good time yesterday morning. Got to play with Mr. Edward Dakovitz, the homie, Jake Avery and Big Cat, of course. And we played Highland, and we had a very good time. The weather was perfect. It was very much previous. Everybody kind of showing up was like, everybody's been in a funk. Ryan's had a bad week. You had a bad week. I had a bad week. It was a weird weather, very rainy, gray. Everybody was kind of like, oh, no, this is going to be for four months. And then yesterday happened. The sun came back out, the weather was great, and got to golf with the guys, and it was like just one of those things that kind of, oh, this is important. Necessary. Yes, this is very necessary that I get out and I hang out with people and we do this thing. It was more about the hang than it was the golf. The golf was great, too, but the hang was even better. So, dude, I was going to make sure to talk about that today. Is that, like, it has been a tough week. And I honestly did not. I didn't want to come today because I just. I wanted to kind of curl up in a ball and be on my couch and do nothing. But I also knew you have to get out and do the things. You have to spend the time with your friends because that's how you beat that shit. Right? Right. So we'll talk more about that when we get there, but love it. I love that. As you're fired up, I'll do two fairly quick ones. One, go ahead. Get out of your system. Hey, Alex. Yeah? What are you fired up about? Two things. One is very quick because I don't know a lot of details about it, but it Is a big deal. I got a notice from the guys at Hyde Park Disc Golf that there has been permission is not the right word. The sign off, basically, on baskets going into the ground, like permanent baskets going into the ground in Chicago. Nice. And there's. Yes, that's a huge deal, to be honest. Uphill battle. Beyond that, there's supposed to be. And I can't say a lot here because I don't know a lot yet, but there's supposed to be a, like, a layered sort of plan to roll out the whole course. So nine baskets. There's, like, permission to put nine baskets in, and then they're gonna put the next nine baskets in once they're done kind of working on the area that's under, like, construction. And then permanent tee pads will go in for all 18 after that. When you said some baskets, I always picture, like, just three, you know, like 30ft away from each other, and that's what we're going to do. But nine baskets, as far as I. Understand that it is the Jackson park course with the layout that they've been using, but now permanent baskets are coming. Don't hold me to. Don't quote me on this, because I don't know a lot, but that's what I understand so far. Don't quote me, boy, because I ain't said shit. And the reason I know that it's real is, you know, I heard it from Tommy, the guy who runs Hyde Park Disc Golf. But also Dana confirmed, and Paul Macbeth foundation is supposed to be reaching out to me to help with some video content to, like, unveil everything. So it sounds pretty damn serious at this point. So, yeah, if you guys know the Hyde park disc Golf group, reach out to them. They probably have more details, but it's a pretty damn big, like, landmark or not landmark milestone in the whole process. Big for just metropolitan disc golf in general. So that's pretty. Pretty damn cool. Good stuff. And then the other thing is Movember, that was the most fun I've had at a disc golf event in a really long time. I didn't play. I just got to, like, watch people play, soak up the vibes. The weather was immaculate. The seeing people together, eating the playlist you had was just the best vibes. Yeah, everybody was just happy. It's such. That's what I love about that tournament is, like, it's dubs, so it's fun. I just felt like everybody was smiling, laughing, telling stories, and it was, like, the most picturesque day of disc golf I've seen in A really long time. I'm glad you had a good time. And that was exactly the goal. Starting it out was play with your friend, pick your partner. And, you know, that's why when people request, like, I want to play with this other group or these people, I let people pick from whatever choice they want. It's all about connecting with your friends. And even if you don't pick your card, you meet some new people and have a good day. Thankfully, the weather was great. It was perfect. And maybe the cherry on top of that day was when you were giving your thank you speech at the end and your mom was getting all emotional. She's like, I'm so proud of you, Mike. I was like, I'm going to lose it. Yeah, I was choked up. I was looking at her and she was crying from the minute I started talking. Moms. Yes. I was just trying to like, I was looking at my buddy Dan in the crowd and looking at the ratchet and just like trying not to continue to cry the entire time. So, yeah, that was good. It was. I guess I thought that I would full on like ball and have to stop at some point, but it was good. It worked out all right. It helps to have somebody like Twan in the audience harassing you. Exactly. Yeah. Snapping you out of your sad state or happy state. I guess that was that time. I'm really looking forward to talking more about that event once we get into the gin and juice. But that I think is a wrap on Fired Up. So I think it's time we jump into the old Cali Hallander rundown. Yes, sir. The old Kali Hallender rundown. We only got a couple things. Things to talk about. Makes sense this time here. Yes. By the time you guys hear this episode, we will have been one week into the Saturday morning league, which I mentioned on the previous episode with Mr. Conley. Saturday mornings here on Out Through February, 10am Sign up, 11am Tee off. 15 bucks. 15 bucks, little man. Put that shit in my hand. We will be using UDisc, which has been phenomenal so far, making things quick. And you guys get to see live scoring. So come on out to Delhi for that. What else do we have? We got a couple of flexes coming up that I've sanctioned so far. I think four that will round out 20, 24. We've got a Black Friday Flex on November 29 that will be running eight to three. We are also going to be doing the Krampus Ugly sweater flex on December 14th. That is like a mashup of a Couple of different events that we've done over the years. But flexes are so good for wintertime because everybody's got some plans and things going on and it's cold out. So look for that on December 14th. What else? Couple more we've got on the 31st of the year. We're going to be doing out with the old and then followed by in with the New. That's always fun to do on New Year's Eve. And day. Everybody has a blast. So we got a couple more weeks of Delwood After Dark on Wednesday nights. We got weeks 7, 8, and 9. Couple more weeks left of that. So if you haven't gotten out, please come out to that. You only have three more weeks. Jason, kick it over. Let's do the Cala Handoff. I love it. To my brother Jason on his trivia and music bingo. Take it away, Jay. Every Tuesday, Altar Brewing, 7pm Downers Grove. Reserve a table at trivialterbrewing.com every Wednesday, Cellar door, Downers Grove. No reservations. Just show up, first come, first serve. And then for December, I'll be at the VFW hall on Thursday the 5th here in Lockport. That's at 7pm that's music bingo. Sean, you were there last night. Did you have a good time last night? I had a fantastic time. It was. It was a good turnout. We had over 50 people. Yeah. Showed up. It was good. And the big cash round that I talked about, somebody won over$100 last night. 105, to be exact. And then. So that is Thursday the 5th. 105 is more than 100. It is. And Thursday the 19th. Free. Fun. Fantastic. Give me another word that starts with F. Perky. Perkalicious. So swim, Swummy, slippy, slappy, slimming, Salmon, Simmons. Swanson. Swenson. Swanson. That is the end of the Calhallenders rundown. Unofficially brought to you by Discoloration.com Mike Berkey only. Come on, Pete. Yeah, we got him there. The sign saves us again. Yes. All right, that's a wrap on the Calla Hallanders rundown. I love that. It's calendars now. Did you guys know that you were brothers before this? Wait. Okay, that is crazy. Wait, the same dude? You're the dude. Mike and Sherry. Yeah. Come on. You gotta be shit, man. From my childhood. From my childhood. Ninja Nintendo. Yeah, that was me. Oh, my God. This is nuts. We should have been promoting your trivia nights all along. Doing the Call of Halloween. That's all right. We got it now. We got there. Eventually. All right, we're going to take a quick break, we'll hear from our sponsors, and we will be right back. Hey, dude. Ready to play? Yep. But first, you got to see how totally dripped out my bag is. Ugh. Don't say dripped out. That is an insane amount of pins. I got them from Nina at disc golf pins. These pins have Riz. Okay, definitely don't say Riz. They're great. But why so many? It took this many to take my game from Skibidi to Sigma. Now my disc golf game is mad lit. I'm gonna get so many. Good. I'm gonna go play somewhere else. The pins are great, but don't talk to me until you're done being so sus. Negative aura, brah. My bag is me. Discolf. Pins.com. And we're back. That's it. And it's time for us to get into the Gin and Juice song. Jason's vibing like a right now. By the way, if you're not friends with Jason on Instagram listeners, you should, because his meme curation and his. His real curation is fantastic. Art. Yeah, art. It is art. Yeah. You. Everybody has said anything. Everybody has a couple friends that love to send you reels and memes and, you know, some people go overboard with it. But whenever I get a DM from Jason on Instagram, I, you know, I get a little like, oh, here we go. Here we go. Yeah, it's got me. This is going to be weird. Let me get away from everyone for a second, just so nobody sees what I'm looking at. Yeah. Pull my phone closer to me. I think you've single handedly improved my algorithm. Good. Yeah, that's the plan. A lot more fart content these days. As there should be. Yeah. Liz will be like, literally, I have to hear your farts all the time. Can you not just listen to farts on Instagram too? All the time. Anyways. All right, it's time to get into Movember and DG Mike. Let's start with DG Mike, because that is your origin story. You have kind of filled me in on a lot of the stuff that I didn't know recently. But for listeners who don't know what is DG Mike? More importantly, who is DJ? Oh, yeah, DG Mike. I said DJ. Oh, yeah. If you'll go for a search on YouTube, you'll find a lot of DJ Mike's. Not the same people, but I think I'm like, the second or third result. Maybe that's just an autocomplete on my computer. I don't know. Almost definitely. Yeah, for sure. So yeah, DG Mike was sort of came out of a couple of different ideas, a couple life experiences. I was always talking to Dana when he was on the road. Dane. Dane. Dane of. Dane of Ichi. Dana. Yes, correct. So like this is before smartphones. He was always traveling around with like Paul Oman, Ashley and his friend Steve and they would go to these travel tournaments all around the country. And that's when I had just really started to take more of a liking to disc golf. When I was in college and I would be at an internship like in the summer in an office job. Horrible idea. Don't do it. Stay away. Do something cool. Do something better with your life. Please everyone out there as. Yeah, Mike's a corporate guy. Same. Same here. And we definitely connect on the like, why did we do this? Yes, for sure. So I was sitting at my desk in my cubicle at my internship in one of my last available summers between, you know, semesters of college. And I'd be helping Dana find people to that he's going to crash with or get directions to the next park or to the next house that he's going to. You were his guy in the chair. Exactly, yeah. He'd call me up or text me. Yeah, yeah, totally. So I would just try to help navigate him around. And then, you know, when he was back, he would, I would give him maybe 50 bucks and say, hey, bring me back a couple discs. And he would regale me with his tales of the road and I'd see all of his funny pictures of. They always used to do those dead photos, right, where like they would pose as though like a nuke just went off and they were on the ground. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Awesome. And every time I would see that, I'd be like, God, that's, it's so silly. But I just wish I was a part of it. They're clearly having fun and I'm here at my cubicle. Exactly. Making not enough money to justify this waste of my time. Even from like a real early on age, even though I wasn't very good at disc golf, I was like, I would really love to be there and participating in everything that's going on. Fast forward a few years I'd been living in Downers Grove, got divorced and vlogging was really becoming a thing at this point. You go on YouTube and the top creators were like these vloggers. I think now it's all like streamers basically, but used to be the Vlogs. And I was like, interesting. I could tell people about what it's like being at tournaments on the road, whilst also being a little creative and learning about video editing and doing some different things like that. So out of my sort of FOMO from not being able to go to these tournaments and vlogging being popular, I kind of just combine those into what became DG Mike. So it was like your YouTube channel? Yeah, it was my YouTube channel. It's still active. Last post was November player meeting 2020 during the pandemic, when, you know, I didn't want to have to give the player meeting to. I think it was 70 different tee times that day or something. So I was like, let's just record it once, reference it to everybody, email it out and that was it. But yeah, that was the last video, unfortunately. So it was. It was born out of, like, I want to get more involved in the scene. This is a way I can kind of have some fun and give back to the community a little bit. And just like, that's. That was your way to plug yourself in. You're also an Eagle Scout. Yeah. So being outdoors has been just a huge part of your life and when you spend all your time in an office, it probably was just kind of chipping away at you. I mean, at the time, I don't think I realized how bad it was going to eventually get for me being in an office all the time. But, yeah, absolutely. When I was in Scouts with my dad and who you guys have all met at the Movember event. Big Bob. Great sausage. Yeah, exactly. Great meats. Great meats. We just need Alex's dad over and we got a whole set. Could you imagine Bob's sausage and Tony's nuts. Ooh, delicious. That's a food truck right there. Yeah, for sure it is themed, but yeah, we were camping at least once a month for. I don't know, when I was in Scouts for seven years, probably at least. So, yeah, being outside was always a place where I was a little bit more calm and I think it just slowly morphed into me playing disc golf and that was my kind of release. Whilst also still being at the desk job. Being indoors for most of my life. Sure it allowed you to have, you know, health insurance and a good income, but also kept you tied to your roots of being able to be outside and, like, adventurous to an extent. Yeah, for sure. Sometimes I say it was, I don't know, like a necessary sacrifice, I suppose you could say. But we'll see. I think some Changes are coming. Who knows? Spooky. How did we get to. Well, first off, I don't think I've asked you this before, but why do you think DG Mike didn't. Why aren't you, like Terry Miller now? Why. Why didn't it go to you becoming, like, the superstar Disc Golf content creator? That's a good question. I've thought about that, too. I think it was picking up some steam. I mean, like I told you guys before, 560 subscribers, whatever, which isn't very many. But I think what was interesting, I would go to tournaments, and one in particular, when I went to Green Mountain Championships one year, this man and his son came up to me and were like, hey, you're DG Mike. Like, we watch your videos, dude. Yeah, I've made it. Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, wow, that's really cool. They're like, we love what you're doing. Like, keep it up. And then I got to play that year with Eagle McMahon, who was also doing a vlog at the time. And so he mentioned listeners might know. Him as the superstar of my fantasy Frisbee team. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah, he's quite. He was injured. Is he back, or what's going on with that? I shouldn't have brought it up. Let's see. He's weird. That's all. That's all it is to do. So, yeah, they recognized me, and I kind of had a push to keep doing it. I was like, this is great if I can share what it's like being out and traveling and getting to experience, you know, a new brewery every weekend in a new town. Right. Like in Kansas, you've got Radius, and in Vermont, you've got. What is it? Alchemist Brewery, where they make heady toppers so you can try different beers, experience different cultures of the different areas that you're in, and share those experiences with the people who have to sit at a desk all the time. So I was feeling really strongly about it, but I think reality sort of came around and started to set in with my job a little bit more different. Career change lent me to being in the city a little bit more. And once I moved to Chicago, it became a little bit more challenging to leave. It was like, yeah, you know, I've been in the burbs my whole life, and I made the conscious move to go to the city to have a little bit of a change, I suppose. And I was telling myself, like, don't be gone all the time. You're paying insane amount of money for Rent, like, experience this experience while you're here instead of like being gone two weekends a month in Chicago in the summer is. It's incredible. But, like, that was part of the reason, I think, why it sort of of scaled down and eventually sputtered out. It's really hard to have your feet in two different camps, especially when one of them is so draining spiritually. Unfortunately, like, that's the reality for anybody who hasn't worked in an office, like in the city 40 hours a week. It's. Every job is draining. But there's something especially draining about the corporate grind where, like, everything you say has to be ran through all this, these filters of, like, trying to say it the most correct way. And there's this. Oh, you're always playing a game in some way. And it's like, you don't get to just be you. You're kind of performing at all times. That's super draining. And then you factor in all the traffic and the, like, you just. You need all your time off the clock to just like, kind of recover and find yourself again. Soul sucking. Yeah. Yeah. The noise. Like, I try to explain to people who, like, live out where you guys are, even it's peaceful out here. You go outside and you hear a. If you hear a noise at night, you'll be like, wow, what? That's strange. I wonder what's going on. But in the city, if you don't hear something, it gets a little creepy. Like, it's always noisy. There's always a car, a siren, or unfortunately, like, trains, gunshots. So it's like, you know, you really. Threw gunshots in there. Just. It happens like every couple weekends. It's bizarre, if you can believe it. Trains, but also, obviously, gunshots. I tried to solve in the gunshots. Okay, so you've. You just ran your 10th Movember Dubs tournament. Yeah. Let's talk a little bit about Movember as a organization and a mission before I have you start explaining it. Out of curiosity, can anybody else talk about what Movember is, the mission, or what do you know about it? I know that they. It has to do with mustaches, and I feel like it has something to do with prostate cancer, but I feel like two for two. That's pretty much. Yeah, that's really. I thought I was making up the prostate cancer. No, no, in line. And that's the thing. It's like the mustache is iconic. That's like what everybody. Affiliates or associates Movember with. What is Movember really, like, give us the big picture. And what does the Mustache really mean to it all. So Movember is a charity which raises money for different programs and causes related to men's health, so particularly mental health, suicide prevention, testicular cancer, and prostate cancer. So the idea is that they can help fund different causes all around the world which support different initiatives in your specific location for these different things. So started in Australia, so that's where the main office is for Movember, but since expanded to the us uk, all sorts of different countries. And they run funding all year long, but particularly in November, given the name of the charity. And they've been around for about 20 years raising money for all sorts of different causes over that time. I don't have a total number. I wish I did. But great organization. And they sponsor different things like marathon runners. They may sponsor you on a trip. Last year I actually went to Peru and did like a trek as it related to Movember to share. Yeah, it was incredible to share the word of Movember to the folks there, as well as kind of drum up a bigger social media presence for Movember as well. So really interesting cause. And I think, you know, the focus is obviously men's health and always having conversations about men's health with the people in your life. And the whole thing stemmed from you talk to your barber more than you talk to your doctor. You see your barber once a month. And so they associated the mustache with the cause of, hey, if your barber can be informed about this and mention it to you and get you talking about it and thinking about it, now we've started the conversation to better health for everyone. So when it first came out of my radar, it was like, you know, you grow a mustache in November. It was just like a fun thing. Yeah. Didn't realize there was all that history to it. And I really liked the way you put it when we did our previous interview where you talked about, like, you shave at the start of November and then you grow your mustache throughout the month. Like, you just don't. You. You literally let it grow and we're all doing it together. So, like, we're growing together. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So you never had that part in your speech during the event. Mike, I rely on you solely to know what's going on. Let's be honest, the disc golfers just want you to shut up and let them off yet. Did I win the CTP or what? Hey, Mike, Mike. Hey, Mike. What's the distance? What role are we playing? Yeah, so. So let's grow together. And that's. That's one of the things that I Think. I don't know if it was intentional, but I think it's a very cool connection to the fact that you did a doubles tournament because it is you paired up with another homie and there's this like, we're going to do this thing together, two dudes. And, you know, part of Movember is like, helping people have the conversations that they need to have so they can grow. And it's like, I got your back kind of thing, which is just like, that's perfect for what dubs is like, you missed your putt. Don't worry, bro. I got your back. I got this now. Or you hit the tree. Don't worry, I got your back. So I don't know if that was an intentional thing for you, but I feels like the universe was telling you this is the way for you to get involved with Movember in a meaningful way. Yeah. I'm glad you made the connection. I was thinking of it more of just being a little more fun. Right. Less competitive, more supportive. But when you put it the way that you did, we've got each other's back. You know, it was a coincidence, but I think a lot of the things about Movember like you had mentioned are kind of maybe coincidences too. I don't know if it was set up to be in the time when seasonal depression is higher. Right. Or when it's getting colder and you're spending less time outside. Right. So you need this extra motivation to be healthier and have the conversation. So, yeah, it was a coincidence, but I'm glad it worked out. On the subject of funny coincidences around Movember and your event specifically, first off, before I talk about this thing that's kind of funny, you have done it for 10 years now and you've raised 55 grand. Yeah. Almost 60. Yeah. After the tournament, which is amazing. So I don't want. I don't want the, like, the silliness of what I'm about to say. I don't want the actual benefit of what you've been doing to be lost at all. It's truly amazing. All good, man. Part of what makes your event unique is that your family comes together and you guys make all these brats and sausages. So you're feeding everybody and it brings everyone together. They get to eat, and there's this real sense of community. It's. It's so fun. It's a men's health event, and we're having a sausage party. That's right. Absolutely. Never even consider that to be the thing that's super funny. And it's, it's, it's one of like three different aspects of this event that makes me think like the universe is just like, it's unfolding the way it's supposed to. Yeah, you're, you're following, you know, your North Star and it's, it's such a cool thing. Yeah. Total family coincidence there, by the way, with the sausage thing. Right, we talked about that. My, my dad and mom had been. They were making sausage as kids. My dad revived the tradition within our family and then it just naturally right into the sausage party for Movember. So one thing that I think you'll get really, you'll. You'll just appreciate about how Movember as an organization operates is so every year that you do this, or maybe it's just based on when you hit certain milestones of fundraising, they send the people. Anybody who's doing Movember related fundraising, there's like milestones you can hit and they'll send you like a. You've raised this much money now, so you get this thing and a lot of what they've sent. And I learned this from going to Mike's house and seeing his office. They're like skateboard decks with like different Movember artwork on it or like vinyl albums that it's like really cool pieces of collectible things that also signify how much you've given to the organization. Yeah. So I just thought you would think that's right. Yeah. Yeah, I. So every year I have it up in my room. Hell yeah. Nice. Every year, if you are in within the top 50 or 100 of like donors. Right. Fundraisers, they'll give you some type of prize. Like you're saying over the last many years it has been different decks and they'll let people who've raised money actually design those decks too. You can submit your design for approval or voting. I don't know what the process is exactly, but. But they've given us everything from like, you know, like nickel board shaped decks to like regular street skating decks. No long boards. But there's all sorts of different, like shaped decks that they've given us. And yeah, one year at the delis I went and gave because I had at that point I'm getting a deck a year. I'm not skating. My wall's filling up. And I wanted to go to somebody and to Delwood because they've been an instrumental part in the event and what the event has become. So at the delis I gave, presented them in a nervous fashion on stage. As Tuan was shredding it, making fun of everybody, presented them with a deck that they could either, you know, do what they wanted with, but I actually ordered it in the name of Delwood Disc Golf. So that was. Yeah, it's good, but the record thing was weird. This year I want to play it. I'm not sure what's even on that, but that was the lifetime 50k raised gift was that record. Damn, that's cool. Wow. Yeah. Good for you, dude. Thanks, man. Appreciate it. And it started all from just wanting to grow a mustache and be a little goofy, and then morphed into this whole crazy beast of tournaments and fundraisers in Peru and all sorts of stuff. You talked about Delwood being instrumental in your event specifically. What do you mean by that? So when I first started, or had the idea to start the event, Delwood was pretty new. The course itself was fairly new. And it was just like, was the. Shop there yet when you did your first event? No, no shop there the first year or the second year. So it was like, this is the coolest new course around. It had less of, what should I say, an edge than some of the other courses. Right. You think about west park or Shanahan or Highland. Obviously, Shanahan's had a come up in recent years and it's gotten a lot nicer and more kept. But at the time, Delawood was fresh, it was new, and it was a fun place to play. So the idea was this will be the most fun for the people coming out. It's well groomed. And then it just sort of stuck after that point. But I think it was the third year when it was pouring rain. Horrible conditions. Like I was talking about in the speech on Saturday, just a terrible year. It's 30 degrees and raining for most of the morning. And then at some point it flipped to snow and it was like, slushy nasty the entire day. That's the day, the first year, that the tournament filled completely. And I'm panicking because all the scorecards are wet, the score ports are wet. I'm stuffing them in plastic bags. There's more people there than there are holes that we were going to play for the day. So Sean's running around, helping grab pencils, throw extra holes out there, put stakes in the ground, move baskets out so everybody who showed up could play. The support from Sean and Sheila in that morning, I think, became a bit of a bonding experience. Right. And I don't know about you guys, but whenever I have a friend that. That's like I'm going to play disc golf. I want to try it out. They'll hit me up and ask, you know, where should we go? And I'm inevitably, go to Delwood. I'm like, go to the pro shop, tell Sean and Sheila that I say hi. So it's just become this. I don't know, it's. It's like my ritual. Whenever anybody's going to play, you got to check out Delwood, go talk to the people that run it, salt the earth and just, you know, enjoy. Have a good afternoon. And I think from that it's just become. I can't see it happening anywhere else. It's got to be dubed that kind. Of started from the course, being so nicely groomed. It's like just a great place to host an event. Yeah. But then also their hospital, you know, has hospitality. Yeah, I almost said hospitableness. Sure, I wish you would. So it just makes the event better for everybody because, you know, you've got some support there and the amenities are just going to make it great for everybody. Top notch. And then over the years, it was nice because Sean and Sheila would close the shop and play the event. So then it was like, I'm definitely doing it there. Get these guys out there, get them a chance to compete and play with everybody. And it was always a nice feeling. Fun couple of years, for sure. Yeah. On the subject of men's mental health, especially in the disc golf community, now that you've been doing this event here for 10 years, can you talk at all about how you've seen changing trends in the disc golf culture around men's mental health? Does anything come to mind for you when I say that? Yeah, I think so. And it's probably going to be hard for some people to hear, but, I mean, part of why people go and play disc golf sometimes is because it's in a park and it's away from your parents and it's away from cops and you can go drink and smoke and enjoy some time with your buddies, which is good. Good for everybody from time to time. Right. But I think at some point we became a culture of people that were just doing that. Right. Leaning on it. Yeah, exactly. Just drinking and smoking and partying, when in reality, like, we're so much more than that. And I think the idea behind coupling the two things was things have been getting more approachable to the everyday person. Whereas the. The old image of disc golf is that rougher, boozing, smoking image. Now it's sort of transitioning into this it's always been family friendly, but now it's a little bit more approachable for families when they see a nice, clean park, when there's not, like, beer cans thrown in the woods. So it's more welcoming, warmer, and more all around. Like, wellness is anticipated. When you think about going and playing disc golf now, that's the way I see it from the inside. People on the outside may still see it as, you know, drink and smoke and go outside. Definitely people in the culture, too, still. Yeah. To them, that still is what disc golf is. And they. They resist some of the evolutions. Like, somewhere along the lines, like you were. I think you were kind of starting to say is, like, the smoking and drinking became what disc golf was to them. When realistically, like, you're out in nature with your buddies in a park having fun, like, that's the escape. Yeah, that's what it should be. And the. Maybe the smoking and drinking is a little nicer, like some, you know, again, from time to time. Cool. But, like, yeah, if you've conflated the whole experience to being like, that's the focus, that's a mental health issue and, like, a very real way. Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, I'm not. Not to say that everybody who's doing that necessarily has some issue with mental health, but I know for me, certainly removing the stigma, when people think about it, getting help with mental health, talking to a therapist, going and seeing somebody about you being angry maybe, or you being sad, I think it's okay. And it's good stuff for people to work on. And hopefully we're not looking at a bunch of people just doing it to get away from that sort of stuff. I have mixed ideas on this because I think going out and playing around with my buddies, I don't necessarily want to get into all my troubles. I think there's a certain amount of, like, we all want to just go have a good time. Yeah. But there's a. There's a healthy amount of, like, you can talk a little bit. You know, maybe from time to time, you do have that round where you just letting a friend, you know, kind of get it out, let them bend your ear. I look forward to it. That's. It's inevitable when, like, the early birdies play. That's, like, part of the deal. Like, if we didn't at some point. I think that's why we do it. Yeah. If we didn't sometime during the round, I think I would have felt like we wouldn't have completed the round. I don't know how to explain that otherwise. It always comes up pretty naturally, but it's always just something that. And we always rag on each other and joke around about it, but it's a serious time where we get to vent or to explain our situation and. Kind of go around the table, too. I bet we don't even realize that we're doing it, but it is in 18 holes being broken down into four parts of people getting things off their chest. And I have to add to that, too. You said that your first instinct is to not talk about the stuff that's private or you're going through. But sometimes. Not always, but sometimes. But I think having a good time with your friends that isn't necessarily around boozing and drinking will then give you a clearer mind to approach the things that you need to face head on. It becomes a therapy system. Yeah, right. So whether or not you're talking about it, if you're having a good time and you're kind of gaining a little bit of perspective of like, oh, yeah, I do have other good things happening in my life now, I can go back to Monday with this, you know, whatever the hurdle may be, with a fresh perspective, which is what happened to me yesterday morning hanging out with those guys. You know, we didn't sit there and go over all these tiny details of everything that was upsetting us or what was going on. But how many 12 packs did you get through? Zero. 12 packs. Yeah. Right. It was just I left that I called Sheila immediately and was like, man, I'm just in such a better mood. And, you know, we didn't talk about a single thing. But it was because I was able to have a really great time with those guys and have more perspective. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. Good to hear. Sheila put a question on the doc that I think is really compelling. And I never thought about it before, but we all think and we talk about. We talk about this on the show a lot, about how disc golf is generally really good for mental health. Whether you're just getting out, playing by yourself and you're in nature, you're moving your body, that's great. Or you're doing it with friends and you don't talk about anything but just, you know, blowing off steam, that's great as well. Or maybe you do integrate a little bit of the, like, what's going on in your life. I think that's like the best way. That's like the most therapeutic version of disc golf. Is there possibly a way where disc golf affects people's certain People's negative mental health negatively. They get maybe too competitive, or they get. They get too serious about it, and then they're beating themselves up about it. Like. Yeah. I mean, I think we've all seen people punch their minis or punch the ground or maybe kick a disc. I think even for me, around the time when I was starting dg Mike, it was like I was practicing four or five days a week. I would just go and putt for like an hour a day. And people I would see at the course every day, they'd go play Castaldo in Woodridge. That's when I was living in Woodridge at the time. I would just go set up at the practice basket for hours and just putt and putt and putt. I equated that to, you've been practicing, you should be getting better, you should be doing better. But I really found a lot of freedom in disc golf when I stopped putting that expectation on myself and I didn't play any worse. I actually played better when I stopped putting that pressure on myself. You chilled out a little bit. Yeah. So it was like a lesson in mental health of, like, don't be so hard on yourself. Like, you're going to achieve what you're going to achieve. And just because you missed a putt, just because you didn't hit a shot doesn't mean you're not good or you're not improving. But, like, you have to reframe, you know, how you're looking at this to better approach the situation. And I. A lot of external validation that people are putting on themselves to, like, if I don't play well, I don't know if it's as deep as this for some people, but, like, I played like, shit. I'm a piece of shit. Or, you know, maybe for some people, it is that deep. It could be. Even if it's just like, I can't get it together. Like, what's wrong with me? Like, your internal monologue, if you're at that point where you're kicking your bag and you're, like, ruining the vibe for other people, you're putting too much on the wrong thing. We see varying levels of it, but there's always a little bit of it. There's the won't come back for a second round or the next day, guys. Or the, I'm going to fake an injury So I can DNF because I'm not doing well, guys. 888 that mother. Yeah, right. I got that 888 on me. Or the dudes that come back and want to tell you every single spit out that they had, and they're not joking about it. They. I mean, they would have bet the farm on every one of those putts if they had any, you know, to put on. And, like, I never understood that. That's why. I think part of that is why I don't play a lot of sanctioned play is because I. Not that I take it too seriously, because I really don't, but I feel like in sanctioned play, I don't want to take it seriously and get to that point. Like, I don't need that. I don't need that validation. I. You know, I play disc golf, too, for all the reasons that we have been talking about, not whether or not I'm going to get better or how many people did I beat or did I get a trophy or did I get first place or did I do better than last time? Which is all that. It's all great. But that's not why. If I got to that point where I'm frustrated about my play, then I don't know. Yeah, that's been a struggle for me, too, at the shop over the years where I get a lot of people like, why aren't you playing? And why this and that? I'm like, well, I don't know. It's just exactly like Ryan said. I've been doing this for 15 years, and it is rooted in hanging out with my friends, stone sober at

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30 in the morning on a Sunday, because that's the version of it that I really love, and that's on a high pedestal. So I just. Like Ryan said, it's hard for me to think, like, the guys that are standing at the counter that I'm trying to kind of talk off of a ledge and go, like, all right, question one. Is this paying your bills? No. Okay, take it down, like, four notches, you know, like, let's. Let's take a huge leap back. Is your family going to eat this week? All right. Yeah, like, everything. You still got a job on Monday. Like, we missed a couple of putts. Let's go over these 18 holes and see what the misses were and figure out what we got to work on moving forward. But, you know, perspective is everything. So, yeah, it's really weird in our sport, I think, because when we get into this competitive mode, you know, everybody kind of leans that way, and then it becomes this weird kind of macho thing that it doesn't really need to be because of all of these varying levels of the way that you can enjoy it and take away from it. So, yeah, it's something that I have to deal with quite a bit at the shop and getting people to realize that, why are we really doing this? This isn't about birdies and bogeys. It's about life. And we're all these certain types of people that are attracted to this game, and this game is about accuracy and, you know, trying to, you know, golf. Right. So always a game against yourself. Yeah. Right. So it's like an interesting thing. Right, Right. Yeah. Like you said, if it's not paying your bills, like, it's one thing. If you're out on the road and this is the career path you chose, I can completely understand getting bent out of shape that the round didn't go the way you want it to. Cuts are thousands of dollars for Gavin Rathbun. I mean, he's. You know what I mean? This is like a thing. We talk about this, but. But if it's not your career and you're leaving the round pissed off, you just did it wrong. Yes. There's something about that round that you did wrong. Yeah, agreed. Hey, you got to change perspective. I think that's why we lean so heavily into the fun stuff. You know, hearing Mike talk about Movember being fun, you know, Saturday morning league. Not to plug it again after the Kelly Hallelujah rundown, but I want more people to come out for watching cartoons and eating cereal. Objective number one, come out and have fun. Objective number two, do let's play disc golf afterwards. And, like, we're going to hand some money out and stuff, too. But that's just. That's little sugar on top. Yeah, that's right. That's just the way that we lean that. It's about taking a load off. It's been serious for five days. Kick it for a couple of days and feel better about it when you go back to it. Amen. Love it. Outside of Movember, what are some of the things that you do to help manage your own mental health? As somebody who. And I think it's a good question because you're somebody who's a little more aware of it than most of the dudes, dudes that I know in general, even hearing you talk about how you're trying to coach yourself to not let traffic destroy your mental health, talk about some of the things that you do to just keep yourself on an even keel. Well, I know for sure with me, if I'm not working out, my head is going a million miles an hour and usually ends up Going in the wrong directions. Right. So, number one, I got to keep my body moving and active on a. On a weekly basis, usually three, four times a week. Whether it's a nice walk, good stretch, just something. Get moving. But I've been in therapy for many years as well, so talking to, like, a psychiatrist or psychologist, whatever you would phrase it as, and that's been helpful, especially I mentioned the divorce and understanding more about myself and kind of why I make the decisions that I do. And as I said before, like, why. Are you the way you are? Yeah. Like, I hate so much about the things you choose to be. You were the worst. I hate looking at your face. I want to smash it. Yeah. Like, why are you so hard on yourself? Like, in the disc golf description, when that became a frustrating experience, I remember playing for a couple years there. I would play tournaments, and I would come home and I would be like, you didn't play good. You're getting, like, a salad for dinner or, like, for the next couple days. Like, you're the punishment. Salad. Yeah. Like you're eating. Yeah. I mean, it's healthy. Vegetables are the enemy. Yeah, exactly. It was like, you're on. You're on the clock. You have to be healthy. So punish yourself. And that's the way I thought about it. Like, punish yourself with a salad. And then when I would play good, I'd be like, dang, I'm gonna get a pizza. I'm gonna get some ice cream. Which was actually probably worse for me, now that I think back. But mentally, it was good. So yoga, like I said, adding that in with your physical movement and stretching out your body, there's something about having anxiety or feeling down on yourself, and maybe it's just because we sit at a chair all day for work, but my shoulders, my lower back, if I get tense. Yeah, exactly. It's usually associated with some sort of mental distress. It's not even like I was strenuous on myself physically. It's like, that was just a long, shitty week, and I need to, like, release whatever this is in my body. And then three. Jason. Jason. About Release the beast. Go on. I haven't said anything in a long time. He said going strenuous on himself and then talking about it was just too much for me to. That can also be a great stress. Stress reliever. It was a slow burn. Brushing your teeth? I think so it was all there. Yeah. Slow burn. I was pretty good. Yeah. He held it together. He did a great job. Thank you. But as we've talked about, too, sharing it with your friends and the people around you. Like, okay, therapy is a. Don't share that with your friends. Yeah, certain friends. Yeah. Anyway, therapy is good. And, like, seeking professional help if you really feel like you're in a really bad place is huge. But as we've mentioned, we all have a network of people that love and care about us. Everybody at Movember, as Dana said in his little mini speech, that got me crying right away, if you need something and you're feeling down, you can reach out to pretty much anybody in that community that was at that tournament that you played with, that you said hello to, that they picked up your disc and handed it to you. You could be like, hey, like, I'm having a hard time. I'm having a hard day. Let's go throw around. And then over the course of that, it's naturally going to come out. So you got to think about the people around you. And I think I've, over the years, done a better and better job of sharing kind of my struggles with people. And you find out that we're all in the same boat. We all have struggles that we deal with. Some people hide it a little better. Some people have a little better moods. But then there's just the times when people are going through a really bad time in their life and, like, you got to be there for them. That's exactly the transition I was going to make, is it is definitely on you to reach out when you're really struggling, but the other side of that coin is, like, look out for each other. When you have a friend that you know is going through some shit or even seems off, you gotta. You gotta reach out to them, too. And definitely if somebody reaches out to, it could be very hard to reach out and be like, hey, I'm having a hard time. Like, nobody wants to even be that guy. Nobody wants to, like, make people worry about them. But if somebody does take that step, you have to throw your arms around that person and give them whatever you can. So I won't use any names, but a really near and dear person reached out to me this week, and he was like, hey, it's been a tough week. Would love if you and I could just go throw some discs soon. And I was like, my heart filled up just from getting that text. And I was, let's look at the calendar. We got to figure out when can we go do this? As soon as possible. Yes. If somebody takes the effort to reach out, give them everything you can back. Because it's not easy to reach out for sure. And to that same token, you have the love and capacity right now. Who knows what's going to happen in a year, a month. You know, you don't like to think about those down times, but inevitably, you know it's going to come back and you. And you're going to be able to have them help you. So it's. It's all good. Gotta help your friends. Amen. If you're not sure about therapy, a couple things that I want to share with listeners. I'm also in therapy. I've done it on and off, and I actually started this year ahead of the. The fall season. I was like, I know I get depressed every year around this time, so I'm. I'm gonna start therapy again now and just get a. Get ahead of it. Knowing myself and trying to. Yeah, I wouldn't have done that if I didn't already start the process of, like, getting to know myself. But finding a therapist can be kind of tricky. But there's so many cool programs these days that make it really easy. Like BetterHelp. You probably heard them sponsor every other podcast you listen to, except ours. But yeah, if you go on betterhelp or you go to Growth, I think it's called Growth. It might be just growth.com, i don't know. But if you just Google better help, you're going to get three or four different. Jason own the URL growth dot com. Maybe that's for a different thing. Yeah, that's not what you think it is. Yeah, go ahead. But yeah, they, they make it super easy. They basically, you'll fill out a form and like, here's the things that I'm kind of struggling with. And it gives you like a checklist. Like, yes, I've struggled with this. I've struggled with that. And then it gives you a whole list of therapists who have experience in those areas. Then you get matched up with them. You schedule the thing whether you have insurance or not. There's options for both. And then, you know, you may not click with your therapist right away, and it's okay. I actually started with a different therapist a couple of weeks ago, and I was like, I did two sessions with that person. I was like, I'm not really feeling this vibe. So I just went on to the next one on the list and I got this brand new therapist that is awesome. Don't tell Liz, but I'm a little in love with my new therapist. So it's okay to like, not connect with a therapist, but just, are you. Gonna trust his name got him. So, yeah, it's easier. It's easier than you think. It takes a little effort, but, like, less than you would think. Yeah, good, Good advice, good recommendation. You know, log into your insurance provider as well a lot of times. You can find a lot of resources and therapists through that. And I know a lot of places will sponsor a few sessions. Like, Lyra is another site that has a lot of good mental health resources as well. So, yeah, stick with it. Like, you're not going to gel with everybody and get that rapport, but talk to somebody else. It's okay. They know that that's the game, so it's okay. What was the path for you or what was the trigger for you that said, you know what? Maybe I need to try therapy, if you don't mind answering. No, yeah, it's totally fine. I think I had sensed that there was just something wrong in my life. Something had changed, and it wasn't, you know, when you're in, like, a really comfortable situation and things are clicking, you're communicating with the people in your life. Everything seems to be going well. You feel at peace, you're calm. You have the strength to do your everyday activities, go to work, be productive. You're creative. You have, you know, all these things that you can do. Something happened where I was just perceiving a problem in my life, and I realized that I couldn't focus at work. I was, like, thinking about disc golf, and it seemed kind of like a chore. It was a little strange. I was like, I don't know what's going on, but something is wrong. And I didn't quite yet have the network of people around me that I could sort of share these ideas with. So that's what prompted me to look into therapy. And as I had said, I was doing Movember to grow a mustache. My dad had one for my entire life, and I was like, this is a good opportunity for me to look a little silly and figure this out. But. But at the same time, I was like, you can't rock the mustache and not follow through with what the advice you're giving to everybody else. So I guess, ironically, partially guilt to make me go. But I think taking the advice that I was giving was good in that moment. But, yeah, it was just felt off. I felt distressed. So that's what it was. I'm really proud of you. That's cool. I feel like there could be a very traumatic event that would lead to, like, therapy sessions, but that slow realization to, maybe I need some help. Is probably far more common, and people aren't seeing that for what it is and taking that step. So, yeah, I would recommend that. I mean, I've had it happen kind of in both ways. Right. You go for a while, you're like, oh, I'm cool. Everything's good. And then you take a step back and you lose touch with. With that feeling that you might have had before, and then all of a sudden, something catastrophic might happen, and now you gotta go back. So, yeah, noticing it and preemptively taking the steps to get through what you know is about to happen, I would highly recommend that. I mean, don't wait till the point where you're kind of, like, mentally paralyzed to do it. Sure. That is a subject I want to get more into. I want to talk a little bit more about the signs that you might not know. It's time to reach out to somebody for help. I think that's a really useful thing for listeners to hear. And some of the things you already mentioned are much bigger than people realize. Like, if you start to feel like disc golf is a chore and you're kind of like, I don't want to go. Like, I don't want to go to leagues, or you're an event organizer who's been running leagues for a long time, and you're like, I don't have the patience for it right now, or whatever. Like, it doesn't mean you're. It's not the end of the world, but it is a sign that you might have something going on. If you're irritable with the people around you. Like, you find everything that your partner says to get on your nerves, you might have something going on. It's not them usually. Right. That's probably some stuff you need to work out. No, it's kind of the. If you run into all day, you're the asshole. You're the asshole. Right. And that doesn't mean that you're a jerk. It might just mean you have no. No stuff you got to work out. Right. Exactly. If every interaction you have on Facebook is confrontational, you might have some shit you got to work out. Totally. And I'll say one, it's a heavy thing, but I'm going to say it because it's real. Every now and then, when I'm really not doing well, I have a recurring thought that has happened many times over different chapters of my life, especially when things are not going great, of like, I don't want to do this thing. Honestly, I'd rather be dead have that as a. And it's such a quiet. It's. It's become so normalized that I don't realize in the back of my mind that is guiding a lot of my decisions. And I'll do things that are not in my best interest because it's like you. You learn. It's like a trained thought. Who cares? I would rather be dead anyways. Yeah, I don't think. I guarantee I'm not the only person who has that. No, it's very, very common. Right. And people don't talk about that. We talk a lot about mental health and like, the signs. And that's a real thing that I think a lot of people have. And people don't really talk about that. By going to therapy. I have a lot of coping things that help me. When I notice that you learn to catch and correct yourself of, like, there's that thought again. And it's not real. It's not good. It's like, that's harming me. So how am I going to correct that now? And there are tons of different tools that you learn to cope with that. The. The creative expressions, for example, I think is a really big thing. Like, we are here on Earth to do more than just work. We're here to make things. And whether that means hosting a tournament and making experiences for people or making apparel or making whatever, you can pour yourself into some kind of creative expression that gives back to other people. That's such a good coping thing. The exercise, the, like writing, keeping a journal. There's. There's so many tools you pick up just from talking to somebody. So if you have thoughts like that, even if they're fleeting, you gotta catch and correct. And that's. That's when you know you got to reach out to wherever you can to get some help. That. That is not an. It's not a normal thought. It's a normal thought, but it's like it's something that you have to learn to do something about. Well said, man. Well said. Because, yeah, I mean, you think. You get scared when you think that way. And I've had those same thoughts. It's not a sign that you're going to necessarily follow through with that. It's a sign that you need to make an adjustment. How did I get here? How is that the normal thought? Exactly. Exactly. And I think that's the way you got to look at it. Right. Don't be scared of it. It's okay. Pursue it. Think about, how do I make that not be what I'm Thinking. Because I do have. And logically, you think about, take a step, take a deep breath. You're like, I have all these really great things in my life. I'm stressed out and depressed about this one, like, triggering thing that's happened. Let's take a step back. We got. You know, the discs are still going to fly tomorrow. We can still get out there and go fist bump Sheila and go fist bump Sean at the shop. Maybe it's big Cat out there, tug on his little mullet, you know, smile. Get out there and see some people and, like, there's good things that can happen. It's not the pit always, but those feelings do creep in. And like you said, be aware and know that that's just one moment in time. Yeah. If you find yourself getting to a place where you can't find what are the good things in my life? It's time to talk to somebody. Yeah. And. And figure out how to readjust to find the good things in your life. Because everybody has them, whether you are thinking about them or not. It's a choice of what you choose to perceive and what you choose to focus on. And if you go too long without. Without addressing that, your internal monologue will be, this is shit. That shit. What is the point of any of this? And all of a sudden, you're not in control of it. I know that's a lot, but it is. That is what we were here to talk about. Season finale get heavy. I am such a huge fan of what you've done with. With your tournament, and obviously we're all big advocates for mental health, so I just want to give you a little golf clap for what you've been doing. And hopefully this reaches some people and helps helps a few people. Thanks for having me on. You guys are doing great things and I appreciate that you appreciate the event and everything that's gone into it over the years. Looking forward to handing it off and seeing what can happen with it in the future. I appreciate that. You appreciate that. I appreciate. Don't you. Don't you dare. All right. I think maybe we can have a little fun now. Try and end on a high note. Let's wrap the season up with a little fun. I'm trying to figure out you're teeing me up for something that means you must think that it's mail time. Mail time. Mail time. Mail time. Mail time. Jason, take us into the mailbag. Oh, I sure will. But before I do that, I don't know what the hell was I thinking? Cable ties. When I Put what? Cable ties. Like four of them. Those are hard to take off. I know. Not only am I. I've been snipping them away this whole time, but I also have all these straps and everything that I put on here. So just give me just a moment for me to Finally. It's open. I thought, we're gonna have to get the bolt cutters out for this one. To Houdini this shit. Our first question is coming to us from Tim Allen. He left us a question while he was at the Unstable Discourse Open. And here's Tim. My name is Tim Allen. My question is putting Yips. How do people deal with it? I'm in a putting funk, and it used to be my strong suit. So how do you deal with it? What do you do? Give me some tips. He's looking for tips on his yips. So what are you going to ask? I'm the worst person to give this advice because I'm probably the worst putter in my group of friends. But one thing that has helped me from time to time is there's actually a tip from Mike Strauss. I'm pretty sure is when I'm overthinking. Long thumb your putts. Yeah, for sure. Really gotta get the full rotation and. Yeah, thumb your butts. It's. I'm overthinking, like, my form and everything I'm doing with my hand. And I'm, like, trying to make sure I remember all the little things that I've been told to do to put the right way. And I clear my mind of that and I'm like, you're just playing catch with the basket. I think of a friend standing there, and if, you know, you're standing right in front of me, how would I throw the Frisbee to you? And I just do that. I am so much more successful after I remind myself I'm just playing catch with the basket. I love it. Yeah. That's interesting. Yeah. I don't think I've experienced putting yips. There have been highs and lows, but I don't know if I have a good solution for that. I've watched you. I know that your yip is the thinking about something that is unrelated to where you are at, which. On a disc golf green. Yeah, I will call that out. You're thinking about something from 2007 out of nowhere. I'll do a couple practice pumps, and then all of a sudden it's like, hey, I haven't been to that Korean barbecue restaurant in a while. Maybe I should. As I'm Letting go of the disc. Right. And every time. And I will. I'll call myself out. Yeah, you forgot about that. Yeah. So that. That is my particular yip. I don't know if that helps anybody, but just focusing on a chain link, what everybody says. Yeah, right. And, like, putting takes a few seconds. So just concentrate on what you're doing for a moment, and then you can think about Korean barbecue. Yeah, yeah, I have. If you've played with me, you know, within probably 10ft. Because any more than 10, and the joke is that's too far. I switch the stance up completely, and I treat the putt like it's. Oh, this little thing here. And I just kind of. It's like an upside down. It's like a scuba, almost like, I scuba the putt in from, like, 10ft. And it always looks cool. It spooks people every single time. Never looks cool. I'm terrified every time. What, dude? What are you. And I'm like, oh, no. That's just how I treat those putts at that distance. Because it was to a point where I was, like, airballing from 10 because I could not get out of my head. So I experienced the yips quite a bit, but started doing that. And I don't recommend, you know, introducing a completely different way of putting within 10ft, but that's how. That's what worked for me. You mean Chris sprague, lefty from 10? Yeah. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Assume that's why he does that, maybe. Or to just be the coolest guy in the Midwest. What does he do? Possible. He putts lefty. Lefty inside. In. Yeah. From like, 10ft and in. And then everything else is righty. Yeah. Wow. Sanctioned or otherwise. Like, there's film of this dude. Something psychologically about reminding yourself, like, this is so easy. I can. Like, this is. I don't even have to think about this one. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that may be it. That's interesting. What do you do, Jay? What were you talking about? I think, Alex, what you said is great. Think of the basket. Not as a basket that has to catch what you're throwing at it, but think of it as a target. I think of it as a bullseye, because when I think of one link, I get really frustrated when I miss the link. So I just think your job is not to make sure that this putt is staying in. Hit the target, and then as long as you've done that, it'll go in, hit it, and you're good. Another thing I don't Know who's asking the question, but I can assume the. Guy from Tool Time. Tim Allen. That's right. You're probably not a professional, so don't hesitate. Don't be married to whatever your putting style is. If something else feels better, something feels a little bit more fluid, feel free to change it up. If you're stuck in a rut, you don't have to be putting. Just straddle. You don't have to be putting in a certain way. Make a small change. It's all good. You're not going to, like, ruin the rest of your game if something makes putts go in, do that. Yeah. I wonder if sometimes, like, a small change will help you focus on that change. And it's not the change itself that is making you make the putts, but it's your refocusing that does it. So that might be it. This is half stupid, but maybe half. Brilliant that you just defined the entire podcast. The podcast tagline on Spotify. Half stupid, half brilliant. I'll wear that shirt. That's next year's shirt right there. When you. When we were out at Fox Prairie and you. I left my putters and you gave me the link. Yep. I was like, ooh, new putter. And I just. You were banging. It changed my game. Yep. And I, like, went out and bought all new links, and every time I try a new putter and it works, I get new putters. And for a while after I have new putters, it's something psychological where I'm like, I'm more confident now because I've got a new. I've got the new plastic, which. I know we all tell people it's not the disc, it's you. But when we're talking about putting, there is something psychological that happens about getting a new feel of a putter in your hand. Totally. For sure. Don't go through the, like, craziness of changing them once a month and buying a ton and trying different ones. You don't have to do that. Certainly, changing them up is not a bad idea. A fresh set. I've got, like, three or four sets that I cycle through. I've got, like, a practice set of links. I've got my pink links, my white ones, my yellow ones. It's just. But they're all the same disc. But a fresh set will definitely kind of get me out of a funk. For sure. Yeah. I've had the same set of putters for four years. Same two, matched pair. Maybe practice. What's your C1 percentage? I barely play to be. It helps that you only play four times a year. Yeah, I have been putting in the backyard, but I putt with as many putters as I have, you know, just to get reps in. So maybe changing them up might be something to do also. One more thing to Tim Allen. You are putting for you. You are not putting for anybody else on your card or in your division. Do your routine no matter the length. That is something that I do. I will be at 12ft going through the entire motion of, you know, my routine every single time. Like, and I don't care if anybody's like, dude, it's a 12 foot putt. Don't Gannon burr it. Don't Gannon burr. Yeah, we don't need to be taking 60 seconds on it. No, no, no, no, no. I hear you, but yeah, yeah, routine. Routine is everything. And if you don't have one, then develop one. And it will help because then it gets you out of not thinking enough or thinking too much or whatever it may help with. Watch the Dana Vici Putting clinic on DG Mike's YouTube channel. Throwback plug Trinity from 2016, 2015. In the snow. Every basket that you're putting on is your favorite basket. You don't have a basket that you dislike because you have spit outs or cut throughs. That's your favorite basket every time. I like that. Yeah. There's a lot of psychology, as you mentioned to his clinic, and not just. There was really not a lot about form at all. It was like, purely like, how do you get in the mindset to bang putts? One more tip on that exact same line of thinking and I stealing this from Scoozy. A scoozy. Not floozy or wizzy. Not floozy or wizzy. Yes. Not. Not any of those other crazy names. Just. We're talking about Scoozy here. He had. I was playing with him at an iOS event, I think at Marengo or something so many years ago. And I looked down at his mini and it has the words, you got this on the mini. So every time he puts his mini down, he looks down. You got this. Just a little quick reminder. Just same thing as, like, that's your favorite basket. Whatever. Have something you say to yourself before you putt. That gives you a little sense of ease. Yeah. Mantra. I wrote that same thing on the inside of all my underwear. So right before you take off your underwear, you're reminded, you got this. You got this. I had a former workplace where I was like, my boss. I love my boss. And I got a blow up poster of just his head, like one of those big head type things on a little stick. And I put it in the bathroom stall at our job. So every time you sat down to take a dump, you close the door and the boss's face was just staring at you. Giant face with the caption. You got this. Amazing. That was a great question, Tim. That led to a long conversation. Let's see if Steve Schumann does the same thing because he's got a question for us and it's coming your way right now. This is Steve the Talker Schumann with a question. If your life had a theme song, what would it be? Jason, you probably are going to have the most well thought out answer to this question. So can you get us started? Started? Sure. It should be something that makes you smile as soon as you hear it. And they say that if you want to be in a better mood, just smile because you can trick your brain into being in a better mood. So the first thing I would like all of you to do is put on a smile. No. I knew I wasn't going to be a very good self for Ryan. No, Ryan does not like being told what to do. Don't tell me what to do. And then just tell me what song comes to mind when you smile. 9 to 5 by Dolly Parton. See, it's that simple. I'm fine to make that my answer without thinking any further. It's a way to make a living. It does make me smile. It's all taken. No given. I'm sorry but like the opening of that song, that is awesome. Oh yeah, awesome. Yeah, sure. And as somebody who, you know I'm a hustler, I work very hard. I never kind of stop doing stuff, which is another mental health strategy that works for me is to keep myself moving and doing stuff. So yeah, as a theme song, you know, kind of the grind, but having some fun with it. I'll take that answer all day. 9 to 5 by Dolly. Nice. I'm going to shout out another podcast friend of the show, Donnie Longton. How to make a mixtape. They just put out an episode that is all about the vibes around like camping and fishing and they included the song fancy by Reba McIntyre on that episode. I have listened to that song no less than 25 times in the last. There is something about that song that is like speaking to me it at the age of 45 that it wasn't when, when I was a kid and it was a new song then. So at the moment the song that Comes to mind is fancy by Reba McIntyre. So it is just a jam. Yeah. So many good songs. I'm. I'm like mood to mood with kind of what I feel is going to be like the soundtrack for me. But the one that always resonates is I think it's character zero by fish. I love fish. I've been like almost 40 fish shows, for better or worse, I suppose, but one of the lines in there is rush and never waste the day. And to your point of keeping moving, Alex, I feel like I've adopted that lyric into my life where it's like, I'm only going to be here for a little while. Let's make sure to fill all that time with as much as I possibly can. And, yeah, that always sticks with me. That's a great perspective. Fill the time rather than killing time. Yeah. Sean, it's on you. I've said. Can we. Can we make predictions about Sean's. Yeah, go ahead. I feel like it's got to be like a Nipsey Hustle. Yeah, I was just gonna say that. Yeah. I don't know. Nipsey Hustle. Hustle and motivate. Victory Lap. That whole album. Victory Lap, the album, but specifically that song. But there are so many more. This is. There's like a hundred honorable mentions. Definitely Nipsey. So that was the prediction for Ryan was Sledgehammer. No, that's a great one. I think if I had thought about that, I might have picked it. But I think I've got a better one. It's one that makes me smile every time I hear it. Good. It's one that I think, oh, if I'm ever in karaoke, this might be the song. Oh, even better. It's a jam. It is the Power of Love by Huey Lewis. The News. Oh. It just close. It starts off banging and it just goes right to the end. Yeah. Back to the future, man. I was right there. I was on the doorstep. You had it. You did, you did. It's the greatest movie of all time and a great song. I like Two, three, not so much. One and two are great. It's the season finale. She. You think you got to weigh in on this one, but you have to yell super loud. I wish I could think of a really funny thing to pretend. Like you said, it was like Taylor. Swift had enough of her, if you couldn't tell. Yeah. Did you say shake it off? That's a great one. Yeah. Good call. Good one. She. Shake, shake, shake. Great question, Steve. Thank you for the audio mailbag. And thanks to Tim Allen as well. And thanks to everybody who's ever done an audio mailbag submission. All six of you. He referred to himself as Steve the Talker Schumann because I called him the Talker in a former episode a few seasons ago. I don't remember the episode. But out of love purely. Sir. Sure. As you know that you do not. Get a nickname like that unless you are loved. Yes. You can make fun of the people that you love if you're giving somebody a nickname that you don't like and they'll never know about that nickname because it'll be behind their back. Correct. We just don't talk about you if we don't like you. Yeah, Totally. Yeah. But, yeah. Thank you guys for the audio mailbag submissions. We love them. Now that the mailbag is wrapped up. Did you already close it? Yeah, Yeah. I was doing it while you were talking cable. Okay. Cable ties. Cable ties are back on there. I brought four fresh ones. All right, well, then that means it is a wrap on the whole damn season. 76 episodes we've done so far. If you got anybody out there, if you listen to all of them, send us a dm. I just want to know who's out there following every episode. Edward Dakovitz. Tim Potter. Tim Potter. Lauren. Lauren Lake. For sure. Jake Kotke. Jake. Mm. Stu. Yeah, Definitely Stu. Shout out, Stu. Miss you, bud. Devin Hernandez. Devin. So this is the end. When does it start again? May we don't. We don't have a plan until things start coming back around. I feel like this isn't quite the hurrah it should be for the last episode because it didn't feel like we. Might have some things. Yeah, maybe. So. Stay tuned. Holiday episode. We have done that before. Yeah. No promises. Santa Claus. We did have one called Jingle these Bells. Yeah. Yes. Valentine holidays. Maybe we'll take some time off and drive like seven or eight hours south and go play disc golf somewhere or something like that. You know what I'm saying? Please. We should do that. We should definitely do that. That sounds fun. Nashville. Here we go. Thank you, guys for listening to Louisville. I know this episode had a lot in it. You know, a lot of heavy stuff. But. But please take it to heart. It means a lot to us and look out for each other. Take care of each other. Don't be afraid to confront your own stuff and take care of yourselves. Also, if your dad and your dad come together and get that food truck that they talked about. I can't wait. Go ahead. They should make, like a tiny version of it and put it inside of a taco truck. Oh, I get it. I get it. Sausage and nuts in a taco. There it is. There we go. Thanks for that. All right, guys, thanks for all the support. We love it all. Thanks for listening. Thanks for any likes and shares on social. Thanks for touching the microphone. 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